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Aren't they both apart of the so called manosphere? Don't they both advocate for men? Haven't they both made at least some disrespectful videos about women? I don't like any of these guys but I'm surprised there is a lot of infighting within their group. Another example is that 2 red pill YouTubers, MGTOW philosopher and Turd Flinging Monkey don't like each other. I'm also surprised at that because they have the same philosophy. They are both almost equally as evil as each other when it comes to how they speak about women.